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IMPORTANT: A discussion of DBIC governance and future development – Hello, DBIC community. I apologize in advance for the length of this email, but I urge everyone that uses DBIC to read it fully as it relates ...
On 10/03/2016 10:37 PM, David Golden wrote: > > <snip> > > In the ensuing discussion, Peter disclosed additional details abo...
On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 23:32:18 +0200, rabbit+dbic at <rabbit.us> wrote: > Nevertheless, if nobody else finds this problematic: I will st...
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Christian Walde <walde.christian@...> wrote: > [Peter] preparing [his] feature-frozen-bugfix-only rel...
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 04:07:04 -0400 David Golden <xdg@...> wrote: [...] > * DBIx::Class (DBIC) – Peter's work provides a capstone, with onl...
On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 22:19:42 +0200, Andrew Beverley <andy@...> wrote: > - Riba was prepared to keep maintaining (and "tighteni...
Clarification on the split-namespace proposal – On 10/23/2016 10:55 PM, Christian Walde wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 22:19:42 +0200, Andrew Beverley <andy@...> > wrote: > >...
On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 13:20:27 +0200, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > On 10/23/2016 10:55 PM, Christian Walde wrote: >...
Christian, I don't believe it is fair at all to attribute malice to Peter in this situation. He's mentioned multiple times throughout this proce...
Good morning, On 27 Oct 2016, at 0:50, Matthew Phillips wrote: > So, given a choice between a proven quantity, and an unproven (and in > ...
+1 from me too, well expressed Matt. I also wanted to add that it really feels to me like people are only focused on the negatives of a split....
On 24 October 2016 at 12:20, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > On 10/23/2016 10:55 PM, Christian Walde wrote: >> >&g...
On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 13:40:15 +0100 Leo Lapworth <leo@...> wrote: > This sounds like the worst of all options. I disagree. Given the l...
On 2016-10-23 1:55 PM, Christian Walde wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 22:19:42 +0200, Andrew Beverley <andy@...> wrote: > >> - ...
I also like the idea of default dbic being the stable one, and the dbic2 being opt in. +1 -- sent from a rotary phone, pardon my brevity ...
> I also like the idea of default dbic being the stable one, and the dbic2 being opt in. +1 I don't see how it could credibly be the other ...
On 2016-10-23 3:04 PM, Karen Etheridge wrote: > > I also like the idea of default dbic being the stable one, and the dbic2 > being opt...
On 24/10/16 00:11, Darren Duncan wrote: > On 2016-10-23 3:04 PM, Karen Etheridge wrote: >> > I also like the idea of default dbic b...
On 2016-10-24 10:01, Peter Mottram wrote: > On 24/10/16 00:11, Darren Duncan wrote: >> On 2016-10-23 3:04 PM, Karen Etheridge wrote: &...
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Andrew Beverley <andy@...> wrote: > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 04:07:04 -0400 David Golden <xdg@...> wrote...
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 04:30:12PM -0400, Ashley Pond V wrote: > I am of a similar mind. I want to have both code paths and this seems > l...
On 5 October 2016 at 09:07, David Golden <xdg@...> wrote: > * DBIx::Class2 (DBIC2) – new feature development, with lower stability > e...
On 4 October 2016 at 21:35, Christian Walde <walde.christian@...> wrote: > On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 23:32:18 +0200, rabbit+dbic at <rabbit...
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 09:43:56PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: > On 4 October 2016 at 21:35, Christian Walde <walde.christian@...> wrote:...
Meanwhile: Riba presents https://web.archive.org/web/20161004214347/http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_rabbitson/2013/07/crowdsourcing-self-c...
On 2016-10-04 6:41 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: > Meanwhile: > > Riba presents > > https://web.archive.org/web/20161004214347/http:...
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:17:49PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: > That would be good, also in light with how that sentence continues: > &...
On 2016-10-06 8:43 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:17:49PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: >> That would be good, also...
On 2016-10-06 21:15, Darren Duncan wrote: > On 2016-10-06 8:43 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:17:49PM -0700, Dar...
On 2016-10-12 12:14 AM, Hartmaier Alexander wrote: > On 2016-10-06 21:15, Darren Duncan wrote: >> On 2016-10-06 8:43 AM, Matt S Trout w...
Hello, all. I don't talk here much, because of the excellent work done by the DBIC teams over the years. I've read along and learned a lot, ...
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 11:32:18PM +0200, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > Given the discussion generated way more interest than I anticipated, at &...
On 10/07/2016 03:08 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 11:32:18PM +0200, Peter Rabbitson wrote: >> Given the discussion ...
My message was written solely to be a retraction of and apology for what I felt was an unfounded accusation I'd inadvertantly made against you, ...
I’ve been watching this conversation unfold from the sidelines, and as an extremely infrequent user of DBIC (but highly interested Perl community ...
Peter, Regardless of what else happens, I very much would look forward to you finishing up and shipping all the code changes you spent the la...
RIBASUSHI has given this codebase a tremendous amount of care, improvement, and deft effort. I am a user and evangelist of DBIC since it was the f...
Hi, On 4/10/16 1:15 AM, "Ashley Pond V" <apv@...> wrote: >RIBASUSHI has given this codebase a tremendous amount of care, ...
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 11:21:36AM +0100, Pedro Melo wrote: > Hi, > > On 4/10/16 1:15 AM, "Ashley Pond V" <apv at sediti...
I did say MST RFC:MUST be respected. :P This is only here because of you. I was an early CDBI user and was there for the fights over its directi...
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 12:49:49PM -0400, Ashley Pond V wrote: > I did say MST RFC:MUST be respected. :P This is only here because of > yo...
On 04/10/16 19:08, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 12:49:49PM -0400, Ashley Pond V wrote: >> I did say MST RFC:MUST be re...
On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 19:20:51 +0100, Peter Mottram <peter@...> wrote: > On 04/10/16 19:08, Matt S Trout wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 04...
Sorry for replying that late but I was away for two month and didn't find the right words in the short peroids of time I had. castaway let me...
On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 12:24:59PM +0200, Hartmaier Alexander wrote: > A big part was also his and mst's plan to use Data::Query in DBIx::Clas...
Peter Mottram <peter@...> wrote: > DBIx::Class has gained a reputation for being a solid piece of > infrastructure which can be truste...
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:20:51PM +0200, Peter Mottram wrote: > On 04/10/16 19:08, Matt S Trout wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 12:...
As I mentioned, I think it would be great to understand what Peter is thinking about a "freeze" – whether that's no new releases ever, ...
I'm only an occasional user of DBIx::Class. I don't use it for work. I do use it in my CMS Galileo (on CPAN) so I have some small standing I thin...
On 23 October 2016 at 23:11, Darren Duncan <darren@...> wrote: > On 2016-10-23 3:04 PM, Karen Etheridge wrote: >> >> >...
On 10/24/2016 07:11 AM, Leo Lapworth wrote: > > Can we agree on the new governance... first? > > Then IF (and so far no one seems ...
I think the proposal is that LTS continues with BDFL and the 2x version uses the new protocol. As for two git branches: this is about cpan, no...
On 10/03/2016 10:37 PM, David Golden wrote: > > For those who don't know me, I'm DAGOLDEN on CPAN and I've joined this > list in my ca...
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > David, given the decisions the PAUSE admins are faced with (...
3/5 Why my plan got scrapped – On 10/07/2016 08:40 PM, David Golden wrote: >> >> * The plan of succession I formed in December 2015, and had not >> deviated...
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:25:39 +0200, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > 2) I gravely misjudged how far the user community dr...
On 10/12/2016 08:25 PM, Christian Walde wrote: > > I don't think what you're seeing is a drift in the community. I'm pretty > sure the...
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 09:26:09 +0200, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > On 10/12/2016 08:25 PM, Christian Walde wrote: >...
4/5 Why Matt's proposal is a farce – On 10/07/2016 08:40 PM, David Golden wrote: >> >> [...] I have grave reservations about the specific (now) 4-member team >> o...
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:27:03 +0200, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > For crying out loud: we are talking about the person...
On 10/12/2016 06:43 PM, Christian Walde wrote: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:27:03 +0200, Peter Rabbitson > <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: >...
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 06:59:24PM +0200, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > On 10/12/2016 06:43 PM, Christian Walde wrote: > >I'm a little confu...
On 10/12/2016 07:19 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: > ...my being willing to dogfood some perl6 stuff for minor scripting > of my irssi setup ...
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 18:59:24 +0200, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > On 10/12/2016 06:43 PM, Christian Walde wrote: >...
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 07:27:03PM +0200, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > Words are cheap. Let's look at the record instead: In the past several ...
On 10/12/2016 02:30 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 07:27:03PM +0200, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > >> - Shoving FAT...
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 01:30:59PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 07:27:03PM +0200, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > >...
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:27:03 +0100, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > On 10/07/2016 08:40 PM, David Golden wrote: >>...
5/5 Why "a stability tzar" is a ridiculous proposition – On 10/07/2016 08:40 PM, David Golden wrote: > >> [...] I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the >> captain that ...
* Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> [2016-10-11 17:28]: > Additionally stability on its own isn't tangible, nor does it yield > a fina...
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Aristotle Pagaltzis <pagaltzis@...> wrote: > The position of a czar is reactive and disempowered. Th...
> > Does it need to be a single person? Could it be a team responsibility like > a Toyota-style "Stop the Line" button? I thin...
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 02:02:16PM +0100, Colin Newell wrote: > I think it might be worth going back to frew's suggestion of the > Collect...
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 08:54:47AM +0200, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > * Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> [2016-10-11 17:28]: > > ...
2/5 Where I saw (and where I hope) the project going – On 10/07/2016 08:40 PM, David Golden wrote: > > In particular, whether part of the plan or not, I think the community > would benefit fro...
2/5 Where I saw (and where I hope) the project going – On 10/07/2016 08:40 PM, David Golden wrote: > > In particular, whether part of the plan or not, I think the community > would benefit fro...
1/5 What is stability – On 10/07/2016 08:40 PM, David Golden wrote: > >> * As a final point on "going forward": I am concerned that the "softwar...
A slightly more concrete proposal – Since people seem to be unsure as to what the alternative to riba's project freeze would actually be, let me provide something a little more conc...
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:17:08PM +0000, Matt S Trout wrote: > Since people seem to be unsure as to what the alternative to riba's project &...
On 2016-10-08 7:07 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > I stand by the > statement that if whoever riba picked comes forward themselves, I'll happily...
I have been battling a severe cold, and can't manage to write sufficiently clear prose. I hope to have David's questions addressed by Monday ...
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: >> Given that Peter abdicated the right to choose first-come ...
Let's call things what they are 1/2 – On 10/09/2016 06:35 AM, David Golden wrote: > > Further, Peter's prior agreement with Matt at the time of the initial > transfer calls...
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > On 10/09/2016 06:35 AM, David Golden wrote: > >&g...
On 10/11/2016 07:51 PM, David Golden wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@... > > In other wo...
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > > I currently do not see a clear mechanism by which thi...
On 10/12/2016 04:01 PM, David Golden wrote: > > It would be helpful if we could go through your last update and > understand if there ...
On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:58 AM, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > On 10/12/2016 04:01 PM, David Golden wrote: > >&g...
On 10/13/2016 12:35 PM, David Golden wrote: > Your various emails give the impression that – if the project were going > to continue under ...
On 2016-10-08 2:33 PM, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > I have been battling a severe cold, and can't manage to write sufficiently clear > prose. ...
Let's call things what they are 2/2 – On 10/08/2016 04:07 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: > > (4) Same statement as 3, but with an added point: You don't need to have me > back eit...
On 2016-10-11 10:30 AM, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > To make it as clear as possible, and protect what I wrote so far from > mis-interpretatio...
On 10/11/2016 08:55 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: > > So the only good reason I can think of to not more effectively give the > DBIC users ...
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 09:41:27 +0200, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > ( by further committing to the repository and/or shi...
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 09:41:27AM +0200, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > - Given the new realities of the future of this namespace (all of > whi...
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:55:42AM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: > Whereas, if I am wrong and the primary reason against releasing your > ex...
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Matt S Trout <mst@...> wrote: > (3) [snip] Please > please everybody remember this is a vague draft,...
Hello friends, TL;DR: * Given that we want stability and community involvment, maybe we should try C4.1 which optimizes for these. * I real...
Woops, didn't mean to refer to the old version of C4. I don't know the differences between C4.1 and C4.2 are, but I suspect the newer one is prob...
Having just read the C4 spec, I generally find its proposals reasonable. However, section 2.5 "Branches and Releases" seems too simplis...
Matt S Trout <mst@...> wrote: > Since people seem to be unsure as to what the alternative to riba's project > freeze would actually ...
On 4 October 2016 at 21:45, Aaron Crane <arc@...> wrote: > Matt S Trout <mst@...> wrote: >> Since people seem to be unsure ...
On 2016-10-06 2:18 AM, Aaron Trevena wrote: <snip> > One quick thing to mention, is that SQL and Relational Databases have > moved ...
I haven't waded in on this so far, as I consider others with direct involvement with the project to have far more weight in their opinions on ...
This pretty much matches my situation and opinion. Thanks Riba for the great work so far. +1 for Matt's plan. Cheers, -- Wallace Reis...
Quoting David Precious <davidp@...>: > I haven't waded in on this so far, as I consider others with direct > involvement with th...
On 10/04/2016 04:17 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: > Since people seem to be unsure as to what the alternative to riba's project > freeze would a...
I agree with this proposal that Matt stated, it seems solid to me. I will also say that I intend to be a significant DBIC contributor personall...
I've not got much to add that hasn't already said, except that my current priority is stability and performance over feature improvements. Oth...
On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 4:31 AM, Peter Rabbitson <ribasushi@...> wrote: > I again must stress that there has been a huge 9+ months "...
This is not a response to the entirety of your email, but just one particular bit. On 10/05/2016 05:24 AM, Karen Etheridge wrote: > >...
> It is now much harder to advance either of these points. Why? On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> ...
On 10/05/2016 08:50 AM, Karen Etheridge wrote: >> It is now much harder to advance either of these points. > > Why? > Becaus...
On Wednesday October 5 2016 11:44:47 AM Peter Rabbitson wrote: > On 10/05/2016 08:50 AM, Karen Etheridge wrote: > >> It is now much ...
Hi, On 5 October 2016 at 10:44, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...> wrote: > On 10/05/2016 08:50 AM, Karen Etheridge wrote: >>&g...
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Leo Lapworth <leo@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > On 5 October 2016 at 10:44, Peter Rabbitson <r...
> On Oct 5, 2016, at 5:28 AM, Lasse Makholm <lasse@...> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Leo Lapworth <leo@...> wrot...
On 5 October 2016 at 11:23, Leo Lapworth <leo@...> wrote: > Hi, > > On 5 October 2016 at 10:44, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit+dbic@...
Thanks for raising this David. I prefer the "Bazaar" over the "Cathedral". Cathedrals are fabulously impressive places o...
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